Two woman got married in Seattle last December just before New Year’s Eve. Basketball players Courtney Vandersloot and Allie Quigley exchanged vows in an intimate ceremony.
The happy couple
Both woman are well known in Hungary. They are star players, both Hungarian citizens who have represented Hungary in several tournaments. Thousands congratulated them on their marriage; with well wishes from fans and sport officials pouring in, social media was buzzing with photos of the happy couple.
Allie Quigley playing for Hungary.
Yet, not one Hungarian sports official congratulated the Hungarian stars. Again, I want to emphasize that both woman are Hungarian citizens who have played in Hungarian clubs and represented the country in international tournaments.
Courtney Vandersloot in the Hungarian team.
Hungary’s new Constitution prohibits gay unions; it defines marriage as strictly between a man and a woman. So, in Hungary gay marriage is illegal. People around Prime Minister Orbán have openly called for “stopping the faggot lobby.” Budapest Mayor Mr. István Tarlós considers homosexuality as “unnatural and repulsive” and Deputy Prime Minister Mr. Zsolt Semjén considers it “a deviance” and “an aberration.”
To be honest, the Orbán government’s anti-gay attitude is puzzling. Hungary is in the midst of reviving the values of the pre-WWII regime and 80 years ago Horthy celebrated the openly lesbian writer Cécile Tormay, a Mussolini admirer. In 2003 Hungary was stunned to learn that Ferenc Kölcsey, the poet who wrote the words of the National Anthem, was gay and that his love poems were written to a man. It seems that Hungarian politicians and society were more accepting in the past than today.
I wonder if Vandersloot and Quigley will keep their Hungarian citizenship or ever want to play for Hungary again.
We congratulate them on this happy occasion and hope that Hungary’s Constitution will soon be amended and same sex marriage will be legal in Hungary. The gay bashing policies of the Orbán regime has no place in Europe.
György Lázár
They are breaking the ice in Hungary baby !!!
But like the sayin; there is a reason for everything!
In most cases when a women is not satisfied by a man,or men, she has nothing else left but another women.
But the other-side of the coin is, just what right any one may have to stick his/her nose into any ones’ most private business? Especially the government that has the duty to assure that very right to every one. My only take on that is, at least they would not consider it :”marriage”.
“The gay bashing policies of the Orbán regime has no place in Europe.”
Actually, if your liberal-progressive-globalist movement will have its way, gay people overall will no longer have a place in Europe within a few decades.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html
UK anti gay hate crimes up 80% in last 4 years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/world/europe/dutch-men-hold-hands.html
Netherlands: 400 attacks in 2009, 1,600 in 2015
Its a trend that should have been expected to happen, together with the demographic Islamization of EU, given that in Islamic world gay rights debate mostly centers around whether they should be hanged or thrown off of tall buildings. With 5-10% of Western EU population now Muslim, I would be more comfortable walking in Budapest, holding hands with another man than I would in most major EU towns West of the former iron curtain.
Having said that, I actually agree with you on the gay marriage thing. Hungary would not loose much by approving it, although I think general population needs to be there in spirit before it happens. Having said that, Hungary’s current legislation is actually more tolerant than it is in many other countries in EU, like Romania, given that civil union is recognized. And I definitely think that the average Hungarian is more tolerant towards gay people than you have proven yourself to be towards ethnic Hungarians living as a historical minority in neighboring countries “A Szekelyek nem Magyarok”.
Neither of the articles Joe posted makes a clear link between increased rates of hate crimes against homosexuals and the increase in immigration from majority Muslim countries. It could be a factor, but so far he only made a conjecture. If he can find a credible survey that ID’s perps by religion and supports his viewpoint, then he can begin to make an argument that it’s among the factors. I would also need survey data to lift my following arguement up from simple conjecture.
Coincident with the increase in hate crimes is an increase in far-right populism in Europe. In Hungary, I did witness anti-gay hate crimes/speech. They were committed by far right extremists.
We know that before the refuge crisis, the incidence of anti-gay hate crimes was already high. As reported by ILGA, before 2012, 75% of gay European men experienced it. It wasn’t brought here de novo by the current wave of immigrants.
https://www.ilga-europe.org/what-we-do/our-advocacy-work/hate-crime-hate-speech
No credible analysis of the cause of this trend can exclude the role of the increase in accessibility and normalization of far right hate speech, which includes anti-gay sentiments.
Whatever the source(s) of the rising trend, it should be ID’d and action should be taken. Any punitive actions should focus on the perps, not on the wider community they are part of.
It seems that even though western European nations received the majority of Muslim migrants, LGBQT persons reported in 2018 that they feel these countries, not eastern European countries including Hungary, are the friendliest towards their community.
https://euobserver.com/justice/141831
This link also reports that European gay rights activists feel that they are threatened by the rise of the populist far right.
“Neither of the articles Joe posted makes a clear link between increased rates of hate crimes against homosexuals and the increase in immigration from majority Muslim countries. It could be a factor, but so far he only made a conjecture. If he can find a credible survey that ID’s perps by religion and supports his viewpoint, then he can begin to make an argument that it’s among the factors. I would also need survey data to lift my following arguement up from simple conjecture.”
Objection noted, however I think that given the ideological monopoly of the progressive-globalist-liberals in all institutions that would carry out such a study, identifying each and every perp, it should come as no surprise if it is hard to come by such detailed proof.
But let us take a step back and examine what you are suggesting. You want to claim that homophobia among native Dutch people as well as other native Europeans in Western Europe has become so virulent that it is the main factor in the exponential growth in homophobic attacks in most West European countries? Interesting theory!
In any case, the correlation between Muslim colonization of EU and the rise in homophobic attacks is increasingly made by the gay electorate itself, which lately has been known to throw its support against anti-migrant parties, because of precisely this problem by a higher proportion compared with the general electorate. That is in my view more than enough proof, given that such a demographic should in theory belong almost exclusively to the liberal candidates.
“Faced with the current threats, particularly from radical Islam, gays have realized they’ll be the first victims of these barbarians, and only Marine is proposing radical solutions,” said Kelvin Hopper, 25, a gay artist who lives in a hipster district of Paris and plans to cast his ballot for Le Pen.”
https://www.apnews.com/35ec96903d9444e9942396505d635981
But yes, you are right, it would indeed be nice if we could get some actual stats in regards to what is behind an increase in homophobia, antisemitism, rapes and other crimes in Western Europe. But then those stats would pretty much end any claim of legitimacy for your ideology.
Sorry, meant to say in support of anti migrant parties.
Joe as usual has reading comprehension issues.
How does he gop from what I wrote:
“No credible analysis of the cause of this trend can exclude the role of the increase in accessibility and normalization of far right hate speech, which includes anti-gay sentiments.”
To this:
“You want to claim that homophobia among native Dutch people as well as other native Europeans in Western Europe has become so virulent that it is the main factor in the exponential growth in homophobic attacks in most West European countries?”
Who claimed it was exponential? I never claimed it was the only factor or the main one.
But this is JHoe’s pathetic MO.
Joe is an intellectual lightweight.
“But yes, you are right, it would indeed be nice if we could get some actual stats in regards to what is behind an increase in homophobia, antisemitism, rapes and other crimes in Western Europe. But then those stats would pretty much end any claim of legitimacy for your ideology.”
He agrees stats are needed, but hey they are not needed since he already knows what the stats would say. Brilliantly idiotic!!
“Brilliantly idiotic!!”
A perfect summary of your argument, as is the case most of the time with you.
Gay people in Europe are themselves identifying the problem, therefore I choose to believe them, while you choose to hide behind the fact that there is no study of the problem, thanks to the liberal-globalist regime’s refusal to do so throughout Western Europe (for obvious reasons). I also identified plenty of accompanying evidence, such as the UK study showing the extent of homophobia among Muslim communities, not to mention that most of the vicious attacks on gays in the EU in the past few years which make it in the media, are most often carried out by Muslims.
But yes, you are right, in the name of your PC ideology, we should just ignore it all, and point to the fact that there are no studies (where there should be).
BTW: I see still no improvement in your reading comprehension skills.
Your EU observer link is exclusively a measure of legal rights, not perception of safety, which are two very different issues.
“Malta scored 91 percent in the ranking, which looks at countries’ pro-LGBTI laws and policies, after it passed legislation on marriage equality and gender-neutral passports.”
What use for gay marriage if people are afraid to identify themselves as gay in public?
And yes there was already a problem before the “refugee crisis”, but before 2014 there were already about 20-25 million Muslims in the EU. And here is a snapshot of their general view on gays:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html
So the majority of Muslims in UK, many of which are actually born in UK think that homosexuality should not even be legal, in other words there ought to be a law against it. This, while the wider EU society is debating gay marriage, adoption and so on. And you are trying to pin the increase in violent homophobia on the natives?
Yes Joe, you would kill if you could, we know. Your bigest Problem is to go „holding hands with another man than I would in most major EU towns West of the former iron curtain.“ So if your Live is that about, that you could and that you would, than it is only that about. You tell yourself something out of your fingers and that would be your could be reality.
Reality check
Why bother with hate cranks like Joe Fidesznik?
I know, it’s somewhat amusing to guess/see how any subject whatsoever: from gay marriage to healthcare to nuclear power elicits the same “answer: Soros/migration.
Idiotic answers for such people.
Observer, my comments are not intended to persuade Joe. I see no value in remaining silent in the face of hate speech.
Reality Check
Sure. I was also only using this as a prompt to blast one off.
Keep the good work.
Dear Joe, Whoever you are, I never expected that you’ll agree with me….)) “Having said that, I actually agree with you on the gay marriage thing.” Hmm..
Let these women keep it to themselves and private. Why flaunt it? Why mix up children even more – aren’t there so many difficult issues for kids to deal with? Education, lack of jobs, lack of funds for mortgages..
you want to marry a woman when you’re a woman – do it – don’t put it in my face!
They are a great example to young people who are gay and struggling with messages from society like Palinka66’s. They are happy, successful and out of hiding. Seeing this does absolutely no one any harm. Quite the opposite.
If it someone else’s love bothers you, that’s your problem, but don’t put it in my face.
Palinka
– How are children mixed up? It is rather the insides of your head, mixed or empty, if you still don’t know the underlying causes of homosexuality.
– The Orban regime prohibits gay union in any form, how can one keep this PRIVATE when it’s been publicly sanctioned?
So far “Idiot” grade, but we agree on something
– so many difficult issues for kids to deal with? Education, lack of jobs, lack of funds for mortgages.. Yes, the situation in Hu is going from bad to worse/
“Dutch men holding hands…”
Just how many times have you seen Russian soldiers walking down the streets and holding hands ????
Than western magazines used to carry many photos of them.
“…hope that Hungary’s Constitution will soon be amended…”
What constitution? Since January 1st, 2012, Hungary doesn’t have a legitimate constitution in force, just an arbitrary replacement of the of the Constitution of the Republic of Hungary, that was adopted in 1989 by the mutual agreement of the then Bolshevik government and its multi-party opposition. The ruling party calls this replacement, that effectivly dismantled the checks and balances, the separation of power, as voting booth revolution ” and the “System of National Cooperation”, an euphemism for a coup de etat…
So there is nothing in the way of their ultra-reactionary, anti-people, anti-human agenda and the plundering of Hungary.
This attitude is rather odd given the large number of videos and DVDs produced in Budapest over the past decades which quite clearly and quite graphically feature self-described “hot lesbian action”.