This is how democracy is killed in Hungary today

Dear Editor,

Roberta Flack wrote a hit “Killing Me Softly With Your Song.” This month you could say that democracy in Hungary is being killed softly with a smile.

My Hungarian wife follows politics more closely than I can. She said that as of October 1, restrictions take effect on speaking in public about politics.

I got an unsatisfactory reply and no satisfactory clarification from a Fidesz (governing party) friend who added that the public must be protected from unrestrained speech.

On October 1, I made a sign that said in Hungarian “Do not be a sheep, talk about politics, break the law” and stood in front of Sopron City Hall hoping to attract people to form a demonstration at least in the near future. I invited a reporter from our local paper, Kisalföld. A few students of environment protection had talked with me briefly but were gone by the time the reporter arrived. She said in effect, “is this all?” and left.

Quickly a pleasant middle-aged woman from city hall approached me and told me that I needed a permit. I asked her if she was kidding since I was advocating breaking an unjust law. She held her ground told me that I could be fined and ripped down my small sign I had taped to a large monument in our main square.

My wife panicked at the threat of paying a fine. We have enough to live on but not much extra.

Two days later I tried to buy an ad in Kisalföld and in the Hirsztar, a local advertising weekly. Both very pleasantly refused my attempt to buy a small ad with the same message “Don’t be a sheep, Talk about Politics, Break the law.”

Some people gave me a thumbs up when I bicycled through Sopron with my sign, but most people just shrug and ask, “Is there such a law.”

That is how democracy is killed today. No bloody police truncheons, just very pleasantly, with a smile.

Dr. Richard von Fuchs
Sopron

18 Comments

  1. Do not be surprised if people of Hungarians do not believe in breaking the laws. The people of Hungary were extremely upset when an unlawful mass of people entered the country in 2015. The people are by enlarge are satisfied with their government. Protesters need permit, get one. News papers have the right to accept or reject adds. The Hungarians made their choice freely when electing the Fidesz government. When the majority of people are dissatisfied, they will elect a different government.

    • Idiot.
      No ‘unlawful mass of people entered the country in 2015″ if u mean Hu, not a single one
      The “mass” was traveling to Austria, Germany, etc.

  2. Thanks Dr. von Fuchs,
    but democracy has been subjected to a thousand cuts bleeding it to death. This is the way fascists take power today, although the club is ready behind their backs, eg. Erdogan’s terror wave or the frequent murders in Russia.

  3. In general, it is impossible to “KILL DEMOCRACY” where it has NEVER been practiced by the masses !!!

  4. Just how could any one kill what has never even born?
    Nor even expected to be born, as never was even concieved !

    The ovary-egg of democracy is not fertile in Hungary.
    Unfortunately.
    Even to mention its hope is declaired by many as evil, stupid, dumn, etc.

    Their only hope is for the ‘hand-outs’, the ‘freebies’.

  5. While I am not overly familiar with the issue, I do believe that many national, regional or municipal governments in the Western World require permits for protests.

    Aside from that, yes I do believe that Hungary’s current government is less than 100% democratic in its behavior. But I also believe that most Hungarians are accepting it, because most of them do not want to inherit the equally or more undemocratic environment currently found in much of the Western World. With its roots in dominance of academia, there is a sort of an ideological dictatorship being imposed on society. Academia trains future judges, lawyers, teachers, journalists, editors, politicians, business people. With most of academia in the Western World being followers of the globalist ideology, which has been the case for decades, needless to say that it is being reflected in most institutions which rely on graduates of the root institution. And this dictatorship is increasingly being defended through brutal means, such as purging those who do not tow the line from academia or the press, limiting on-line freedom of speech, as is the case in Germany, using curbing of hate speech as an excuse, or through ideologically biased censorship of forums. As is the case with the EU, entire nations may be punished for not towing the correct ideological line, as is the case with Hungary.

    Hungarians, just like most other people in the region remember a thing or two about what it was like living in an ideological dictatorship, where most conversations were a one-way street. The means of enforcement were more primitive and brutal, but the result was the same, an ideological dictatorship, with disastrous economic and social consequences. Perhaps the current path of Hungary, while not ideal, is the only way to prevent it from descending in the same mess.

    • Reality Check says:

      “I am not overly familiar with the issue”
      When has that ever stopped you from trolling? At least it makes your comments easy to debunk.

      • In your mind, you have been “debunking” stuff. Same as Don Quixote has been battling dragons.

        In this case, I already provided the example of DC where they also require protest permits, so what is there left for you to debunk? Perhaps the myth that academics are necessarily smart? You have been doing that for a while now.

    • Blog Subscribers says:

      “But I also believe that most Hungarians are accepting it, because most of them do not want to inherit the equally or more undemocratic environment currently found in much of the Western World.”

      Are you kidding me? People are accepting because they are being brainwashed 24×7 with state-owned media and propaganda. Tell them the truth, which they deserve to know, and we will see the results.

      The undemocratic environment in the western world – you made me laugh with such statement.

      • “Are you kidding me? People are accepting because they are being brainwashed 24×7 with state-owned media and propaganda”

        Yeah well, in your case, it is corporate owned media, as well as academia not to mention the PC police quashing all voices of dissent.

  6. To Country Joe and the Fish – i.e. Hurka and Bendy (my apologies to the original band by that name, for getting them mixed up with Hungarian trolls).

    Joe writes: “While I am not overly familiar with the issue, I do believe that many national, regional or municipal governments in the Western World require permits for protests.” Wrong again Joe. You do not need a permit to hold up a sign like the on designed by Mr. Fuchs and stand with it on a sidewalk in front of City hall in ANY democracy. If you hold up traffic – that’s another story. Freedom of assembly is a fundamental right in a democratic society. It has been abolished in Hungary, because Hungarian political culture swallows the abolition of fundamental rights today the same way it swallowed the curtailment of the franchise in the 1920s-1930s, the repressive anti-Jewish laws going back to the 1920s, the extraordinary privileges of the landed aristocracy and the Catholic Church, Horthy’s alliance with Hitler and Mussolini, not to mention, the massacre of the Jews, the Roma and homosexuals between 1941-in 1944. Marta Burka would no doubt follow Orbán in buying her meat from the butchers of Saudi Arabia, nothing would deter her fishy political views not even the smell of human flesh.

    When it is the Hungarian’s turn to flee their homes by the hundreds of thousands (1956) they expect the West to welcome them with open arms, like long lost relatives. Country Joe ! I hope you know what Western Europeans will do when you and your school of fish would try doing that in the future.

    Country Joe, and the fish that swims in your wake ! You stink ! I’m with Richard von Fuchs. Would gladly join him on my bike in Sopron, but it’s a bit hard to bicycle across the Atlantic.

  7. “Marta Burka would no doubt follow Orbán in buying her meat from the butchers of Saudi Arabia, nothing would deter her fishy political views not even the smell of human flesh.”

    Yes, Saudi Arabia is currently responsible for what aid agencies are calling the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, through its war in Yemen. But the list of accomplices includes all the countries selling them weapons, including the US of A, and the UK, but also Germany, Spain, France, and yes Canada as well! I am not aware of Hungary being an accomplice in this one.

    As for: “I’m with Richard von Fuchs. Would gladly join him on my bike in Sopron, but it’s a bit hard to bicycle across the Atlantic.”

    I have no doubt of it, and I also believe that it reflects your sincere views. I also think that you get the false sense that it would make you brave and heroic. After all, you would be confronting the “evil Orban regime”. But reality is that you would be doing it within the context of the Western World looking to crush a tiny ideological rebel. You would be acting with the awesome power of that western world at your back, so really not all that brave, but rather a tool of the machine.

    If you were really courageous, you would dare to declare to your students that you believe that Canada’s immigration policy is potentially dangerous, because after all, there is no historical precedent where an incumbent population fared well in the face of a new population colonizing the land that is home to the incumbent population. There really is no historical precedent for that, and “this time is different” should not give anyone comfort in terms of expected outcome. You could also point to Canada’s demographic ethnic enclavisation in neighborhoods as well as in the workplace environment, which are also a fact. But even if you believed this to be the case, you would not dare to say any such thing and we all know why (it would be a truly brave act). Nor would any of your peers anywhere in any Canadian academic setting. In fact, if any of your colleagues would dare to break this ideological taboo, you would probably be among those calling for a pound of flesh. Such is the nature of your “free and democratic society”. Free to speak anything as long as it is ideologically correct! As I already pointed out, it is out of fear of this beast which you serve that Hungarians are willing to tolerate many of Orban’s own slightly autocratic moves.

    Oh yeah! In regards to those protest permits, DC requires it for any protest involving 25 or more people in a number of public areas, as well as in many other situations, where you need a permit if you expect more than 100 people:

    https://washingtonpeacecenter.org/permitprocess

    And yes, it is the law and you could get arrested for breaking the law, just like in Hungary.

  8. StrandedinSopron says:

    “Some people gave me a thumbs up when I bicycled through Sopron with my sign, but most people just shrug and ask, “Is there such a law.””

    If I had known about this protest, I would have joined you Dr. Richard von Fuchs. So, that would have made three of us. And that is how democracy has died in a place where it never really has had very strong roots anyway.

    A bag of potatoes will buy votes in the countryside; in the cities posters of the Jewish “Migrant Meister” Soros and a couple of *non-Aryan* faces will scare the typical neni and bacsi into supporting the Orbanist State.

    People working for the State keep their mouths shut for obvious reasons. People in the multis now do likewise because you don’t know which of your colleagues is a Fidesz Snitch, ready to report you to the management who want to keep on the right side of NAV et al.

    But really…if 10% of the population were prepared to stand up to the bullies, then we would see (at least some) of our freedoms remaining. But people, by and large, don’t care.

    Democracy dies not from dictatorships from apathy.

  9. Reality Check says:

    Oh yeah, in Hungary you only need two persons to require a permit for a demonstration. A demonstration is defined as any gathering of two or more people discussing public affairs. Nobody thinks it’s unreasonable for people to give authorities a notice if the crowd is expected to be large to cause potential disruptions. Expecting Dr. Fuchs to get a permit for his tiny protest is draconian. In addition, the triggers for preventing the issuance of a permit set a very low bar in Hungary. Since you say you know very little about the subject, you can read up on it here: http://hungarianspectrum.org/2018/10/02/hungarys-new-law-restricting-freedom-of-assembly/

  10. @ Joey

    Your little “fishy” note to me has gone into my waste basket. That’s where it belongs. As for you – you belong in that little pond you inhabit with Marta Burka, and the other fish that swim in your wake. I grant you a lifetime supply of fish food (for bottom eaters) and a waterproof version of Viktor Orbán’s collected speeches to amuse yourselves with.

  11. Phil S. Stine says:

    How do you tell the difference between a Fidesz spruiker and a catfish?

    One is a bottom dwelling scum sucking parasite, while the other one is a fish.

    (ok, ok … it’s really a modified lawyer joke)

  12. In Hungary, democracy died a long ago. Now they are just burying it!

  13. Most of you above are correct. Democracy was killed in Hungary in its infancy during the ’90-s. For the past few years a fascist dictatorship is being built. For the past 100 years the Hungarians had a dictator (since Horthy) thus it is in their DNA .

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